I saw on CNN news… What caused Hawkins to Snap?
Duh.
1. His family put him out of the house. He not welcome to celebrate Thanksgiving or Christmas with his family.
2. You guys labeled him FELON on his record. Ruined the kid’s life forever. No 2nd chance. Nobody wants to hire him for job. Just cause he did drug, why not REHAB for the kid, not FELON.
3. McDonalds fired him, maybe because he lied on his application that he wasn’t a felon and girlfriend broke up with him. Somebody should have put the poor kid in counseling… if they have notice him being depress.
Americans are so insensitive. That is all you guys said, ME ME ME… not care about others.
And if you guys just stop and care about other, then none of this violence would have happen.
just because his family put him out, doesn’t mean he was a bad kid.
He was only 19 years old.
For example,
Iif we ignored a person with disease, then that person’s disease will spread and affect others.
So society failed, we ignored this poor kid and because of that, it affects other people as well.
I posted this because I have an opinion.
It doesn’t have to be fact.
I understand that many other people went through tough time, but never
kill people.
Maybe they didn’t have a semi automatic rifle. Maybe they did other
things to hurt people such as stealing,
lying, cheating, or whatever.
Sin is sin.
Yes it takes a village. You can’t say, oh well I got my own problem, that was his problem, I don’t care.
And the guy who said water back up on the floor from the sewerage, and you can’t buy gifts for your kids…
Kids don’t really care about gifts, cause they got you as a parent to love them.
But Robert Hawkins, his parents don’t give a s*** about him.
What is he doing in foster homes since age 13? My nephew is 11 years old, and it is easy to raise a boy. And if he turned 13 and doing drugs, my family will see to that he gets beat with a belt several times.
What?
You gave them kids LIFE and then you want to tell them to get out of the house?
That doesn’t work that way.
Especially to a kid who dropped out of school, you know he isn’t ready to leave home. It doesn’t matter if he is 18.
Why not let the kid at age 18, after finish high school, let him work first and earn money and teach him everything he needs to know…. Make sure he is really ready. Don’t just push him out the house.
That kid didn’t even live with his parents since age 13 anyway.
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His family definately failed him. I would never let my brother hit bottom like that. Bad genes i guess, but he’s still wrong for killing people. You gotta wonder why the news is granting him his wish of being ‘famous’. Doesn’t that just encourage other weirdoes? That’s where HE got the idea….
First, life is unfair and people need to realize it…there are no do overs or second chances in life…you get one opportunity to make the right decision; and yes all decisions do have consequences….this is another example of how drugs can and will ruin your life….so to answer your question…What caused Hawkins to snap? Drugs and poor decisions.
I’m afraid that you’ve gotten a little confused here.
Was what happened to him unfortunate? Was his life sad? YES!
That doesn’t make a bit of difference. He chose to act as he did, he wasn’t forced to do anything.
I have known and do know people that have been through worse. They live happy and productive lives now. The difference is they kept trying instead of flipping out.
Don’t justify someone’s terrible actions because of their misfortunes. That’s exactly how Hitler justified German expansion and how criminals justify their actions as well.
It is true, this young man had a very troubled life. If he had a strong family to gave him guidance and support, this tragedy possibly would have never happened.
On the other hand, there are millions of people that have sad and hard lives. Rarely do they go on shooting sprees, murdering innocent people doing their Christmas shopping.
first i’m pretty sure some of this is a violation of yahoo tos.
second..no one makes anyone behave the way they do. they do. its called personal responsbility. and there isnt enough in this world already. So this me me me attitude is good, as long as you can say, ‘ya this is my responsibiliy’. and not use excuses as my life has been so bad..so…
people have way worse things happen to them, and they dont go out and kill people. this kid had mental problems, its not his familys fault. it was his fault and only his.
You say this as if his family just one day decided to kick him out. How much hell do you think he put his family through before they decided to exclude him from Christmas? Yet your sympathy is for him.
He was a felon because he committed a felony. If you think the law is unfair, do something about it, but don’t forget … he did the crime.
McDonald’s fired him because he wasn’t doing his job or showing up on time or at all. There is only so much sympathy your boss will have for you before deciding to replace you with someone who WILL show up on time and do the job. You don’t feel sorry at all for the boss who had to deal with a drugged up kid in all sorts of trouble.
You don’t mention the 8 people who will have to forever live without their loved one at Christmas. You didn’t mention the many lives ruined, the far-reaching effect this will have on the community; not just the immediate families, but the officers involved in it, the people who lived through it, the workers at the mall.
These are the people that we are sensitive about; do you honestly think that in the face of all that grief, that we give a rat’s rear end about the one who caused it all? All I would have said to him is “sorry your life is messed up, but you’ll have to stand in line for some pity, the rest of us have messed up lives too”.
Many, many people have hard lives and sad childhoods and manage to avoid going on shooting rampages.
NOTHING can justify killing eight innocent people.
Maybe his family put him out of the house because he was physically assaulting people. Maybe he wouldn’t go to school or get a job and maybe he wouldn’t go to counselling or rehab. Maybe he got fired from McDonald’s for stealing money, or not showing up for work, or smoking up in the employee washroom.
I don’t know, YOU don’t know, so stop your silly speculating and blaming the police for this. HE made choices that gave him the criminal record.
I’m sure the families of the dead are only thinking Me,Me,Me.
Poor me, my Mom was killed two weeks before X-Mas. Poor me my grandfather won’t be coming to my wedding next summer, Poor me, my husband won’t see his newborn daughter.
I’ve written way more than I intended to, but this “blame everyone but the bad guy” mentality is a sore point for me.
well, for his family to throw him out.his employer to fire him, and his girlfriend to break up with him, there had to be reasons. if he was a drug addict then it was up to him to get help.for himself. how do you know that he wasn’t already put in these programs and just refused the help he was given. i know a lot of people who are ordered to these type opf programs and refuse to go to them . you can’t blame the public for his mistakes.
TIME OUT.
In religious terms–Choice of conduct/belief/action resides in the individual.
In legal terms–You are responsible for your conduct because you made the choice to do the act.
In social terms–You are a member of society and must conform your actions to the rules of your society.
CHOICE–CHOICE–He made his choices. He is a convicted felon because he made the choice to use and deal drugs.
He is fired because of his choice of failing to show up for work, being late, lying about his criminal record. He is excluded from his family for his choices and his actions. His girlfriend dumped him because of his choices and his actions. ALL HIS CHOICES HURT HIM.
But the real issue–the victims–they had NO CHOICE–They are victims. Their families are victims. Society is victimized because we now fear to go out at night–we are afraid to go to certain areas, and now many will be afraid to even go to the mall.
Yet you feel sympathy for this scum bag? You either have no sense, or you must think that his CHOICES are not his responsibility! Each of us is responsible for our own actions. No one else. To blame his family, his girlfriend, his employer is WRONG!!!!
Accept responsibility. Realize that what you do–you are responsible for.
wait a minute….there’s all kinds of people that are worse off than him. He should of went and got help, on his own, instead of killing people and scarring others. Think of what it would be like if everyone that felt like him, went around shooting everyone. We wouldn’t be safe anywhere, and your wrong about American’s being insensitive. Its the other way around. When things like this happen, it devastates us, and no matter what anyone tries to do to make this a crimeless place to live, it doesn’t work. Get facts straight before you make any accusations please.
Now just you hold on there one minute I as an American I did not fail the person. I did not know this person. He fell afoul of the law and that is his problem. Drugs are illegal and he was consuming them and maybe dealing them.
“His family put him out of the house. He was not welcome to celebrate Thanksgiving or Christmas with his family.”
That is there problem not mine. I am sorry they did that but they must have had a good reason. Maybe he would not go rehab maybe he was violent when hopped up on drugs. You do not know neither do I.
“You guys labeled him FELON on his record. That ruined the kid’s life forever, no 2nd chance. Nobody wants to hire him for job. Just because he did drug, why not REHAB for the kid, not FELON.”
He was given all the freedoms of everyone else and showed he could not handle the responsibility. It sucks that he got a felon rap but he must have did something rather bad to get it. Just goes to show you that GUN CONTROL DOES NOT WORK. Because Felons are not allowed to own guns, yet he had them anyways. So what makes you think more gun control laws are going to make a difference? No one at the mall is allowed to carry concealed, so there for he broke a law and another rule but carrying that weapon concealed in some way to get it in the mall in the first place. That leads to another law being broke because he was carrying concealed weapons with out a permit.
“McDonalds fired him, maybe because he lied on his application that he wasn’t a felon and girlfriend broke up with him. Somebody should have put the poor kid in counseling… if they have notice him being depress.”
I have been fired from jobs and had girlfriends and a wife leave me it never made want to go to a mall and kill people I did not know.
Unfortunately his family did fail him. For this I am sad, but I did not fail him. Do not go and blame a whole country for one person’s problems. Maybe if his mommy would have hugged him more or his daddy played catch with him this would not have happened. Who knows? Maybe if he would not have been messed up on DRUGS he would not have been so depressed. Maybe if he would have made better choices in life he would not have done this. No one knows.
Life was unfair to him? Of course it was life is unfair to me as well. Man I paid my car off and two months later it blew up and I had to go buy a brand new car. I can barley afford the payment on because I am a single dad raising two kids and putting myself threw school. My kids are not going to have a Christmas tree this year because the sewer backed up in to the living room and dinning room causing $10,000 in damage. We have no carpet in the living room and we had to rip out all the hard wood in the dinning room. My daughter had RAD, ADD and high cholesterol (That is inherited) allergies, and asthma. So tell me again how life was only unfair to him. The only time life is fair is in the movies and TV sitcoms that last 30 minutes.
My prayers go out to all that were injured of killed in this senseless act of violence.
LIFES UNFAIR TO HIM??? What about the 8 people that are now DEAD becuase of him and the 5 people in the hospital?
I have seen many people with situations worse than this, and they did not go and shoot up a mall. There is no excuse for what he did.
1. I do not know the circumstances surrounding him being kicked out, but I would imagine it has something to do with being a felon.
2. We didn’t label him anything, He was tried and convicted as a felon, no one to blame but him.
3. Mc Donald’s fired him for LYING. Again, his fault. As for the girlfriend, no idea why.
What most of these have in common are HIS actions. He chose to gain access to a fucking assault rifle and kill 8 people. Way to take responsibility for his life and mistakes. I am glad he had the common decencey to end it himself before taking any law enforcement out with him in his sucide attempt.
Just because he had a “rough” life did not give the right to kill all these innocent people that had nothing to do with him in any way shape or form. Why couldn’t he have just killed himself and left it at that. What about the families of the people that were killed? Are they supposed to feel bad for him. Your feelings would be different if one of your family members had been at that mall that day.
you have no idea why his family put him out. maybe he threatened to kill them. and, all of those things done to him sound really bad. gee, it is almost as if he is justified in killing INNOCENT people. you are an idiiot and anyone who agrees with you has their head up their butt.
get a bandage for your bleeding heart…
You have NO knowledge of his mental condition or his family life. Next-door kid here has the best parents in the world- he is absolutely stark banana nuts[medically proven and not controllable].
“you guys labeled him felon?” no,the court did.
Read some case law: lots of FELONS learn from their mistake and become good citizens.
I wish that your viewpoint would work to make people happier, but …no.
Cry me a river! BOO HOO life ain’t fair!!!! He didn’t get no breaks!!!! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Did any of the people he killed do anything to him? Did any of the people he injured do anything to him? (I’m talking directly here!)
I didn’t get no breaks when I was a young man either. Worked 2 jobs 80 to 100 hours per week, high stress environments, dangerous work places. Guess what … I didn’t kill or injure anyone!
I was the ONLY member of “my gang” all during school, tormented daily by the popular “rich kids”. Physically assaulted, harassed, chased, items stolen and damaged daily … how many kids from that school did I kill? NONE!
Time to realize that there are some “bad people” who just believe that they can do whatever they want to. He spent his life ignoring society’s rules and when it became clear he wasn’t going to get a free pass, he decided to kill himself, and take as many innocent people as he could with him.
Life is too short to dwell on the actions of fools and idiots. It would have been nice if, when he decided to kill himself, he had just done that and not killed uninvolved people.
Um it’s called tough love. If you encourage your children to be screw ups then you will support them for the rest of their life, and if dude got fired from mcdonalds then he must have really been a screw up…
I’m assuming he was a drug addict before this whole incident… i got fired from plenty of jobs, and got kicked out by my family… and instead of blaming my misery on everyone else, I grew up and did something about it… i didn’t want people to feel sorry for me… it was my own doing, so instead of going on a murderous rampage, i got off the drugs and got married, and have a wonderful life…
it’s a cop out… you can’t feel bad for him..
He isn’t a felon, at least not before he shot up a mall, and even now he’ll never see trial. He got two slap on the wrist misdemeanor charges in county court. The kid didn’t even get probation. His life wasn’t ruined forever, in AMERICA, you don’t have to report misdemeanor crimes on a job application.
You complain the rest of our society says ME ME ME, but the reason this kid got kicked out of his house is because his mother paid more attention to her boyfriend than him. He wanted attention. Then, when he decided to kill himself, he wanted to “be famous”. His words. Who is ME ME ME now?
Also, he was fired for being abrasive to customers, co-workers, and STEALING MONEY. You need to figure out what you are talking about before you vomit text onto the internet.
Yet another testimony to the failure of the “it takes a village” liberal ideal.
EVERYONE who has been a teenager goes through difficult times. And hundreds of thousands grew up in abusive households, thought no one understood them, were beaten up by other kids, got caught up in drugs and alcohol themselves, got pregnant and might have suffered the festering guilt of one or more abortions, and had long periods of self-doubt, low self-esteem, and depression. BUT THEY NEVER WENT AROUND KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE, because they had RESPECT for other people. That respect for others is incredibly diminshed today, and a majority of younger people have absolutely zero respect for themselves nor for other people.
Think about it from his POV. Hawkins says he wanted to “go out in style”. THIS is the best he could do? Please! It was PATHETIC. He killed and injured some of mommies, senior citizens, and kids in a MALL. THAT is “in style?” It just goes to show the mediocre level of his self-worth.
And I think that a lot of kids today consider themselves to be mediocre, waiting for government or mommy and daddy to GIVE them everything, and not expecting to put in one drop of sweat or tears to accomplish anything ON THEIR OWN.
You don’t need other people to care about you. You need to learn to care for yourself. If you care about yourself, only hold yourself to blame for your circumstances, and you are willing to put in whatever work it takes to be the best that you can be, for as long as that takes, you will automatically have tremendous self-respect and respect for others.
I couldn’t WAIT to get out of my house at 18, not because it was awful there, but because I wanted to prove I could do it.
And I saw some bad **** in my life. A guy jumped from a building and landed 10 feet in front of me. I saw him die. A relative was a violent alcoholic. I hid with my cousin while he searched for us for a butcher knife. I watched my best friend die when her drunken boyfriend cut in front of a car to turn left (and didn’t make it). And a whole lot more. And I NEVER NEEDED COUNSELING.
Stop making excuses. Life happens. Life is hard. No one is going to coddle you like a baby for the rest of your life.
Boo F*&cking Hoo